So originally I was gonna do this way back when James Gunn first announced his slate back in Jan of 2023. But I decided to save it for later when we were closer to Superman. Well, Superman is coming out tomorrow so now's the time.
Disclaimer
Now let's get this out of the way before I start giving my thoughts. As you guys know I'm a fan of Zack Snyder's DCEU movies and I've even shown support for fan movements related to the SnyderVerse on X, or at least I did before they wrongfully suspended me, but that's besides the point. But regardless of my love for Snyder's work in my reviews I still pointed out somethings I thought we decent or didn't like in his DCEU films. So what am I getting at here? My point is while I am a fan of Snyder's DCEU films, everything I'll be writing about for James Gunn's DCU doesn't come from a strictly Snyder fan perspective. I was a DC Comics fan long before I was a Zack Snyder fan! Now let's get into my thoughts on why I'm skeptical.
Let's start off with...
James Gunn Isn't A Master Class Filmmaker
Firstly let me explain something. This point is gonna more of a rant on people rather than Gunn himself, because James has made some good things, yes there's Guardians of the Galaxy and what I find to be more of his underrated works that being Slither. But what's driving me crazy is his fans. Now don't get it twisted, there's plenty of Snyder fans out there that take it too far. But every since I want to say somewhere around the time him and Peter Safran were announced as the co-CEOs of DC Studios, people have been praising Gunn like he's the second coming of Steven freakin' Spielberg.
All of sudden James Gunn belongs up on the mount Rushmore of directors alongside Stanley Kubrick, Martin Scorsese, and whoever else you want to put up there. But prior to Guardians, nobody knew nor cared who he was. When I think a filmmaking legend I think of guys who everybody knows and has had more box office hits than flops, and James Gunn isn't one of them. Way before the MCU, his highest-grossing movie was...the live-action Scooby-Doo movie back in 2002. Now I like that movie in a so bad, it's good way, but come on. That movie being one of your first smash hits isn't something any filmmaker should brag about. I know Gunn hasn't actually bragged I'm just saying in general. So after Scooby-Doo, James made other movies like the previously mentioned Slither among others, but guess what? They bombed. I'm well aware not every box office bomb is a sign of quality but that should speak to people.
Now that was before the MCU, what about outside the MCU? Did James Gunn write and direct anything else? Yes, he did, 2021's The Suicide Squad. And it bombed. NOW I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ALL GONNA SAY! "But Michael, there was COVID!" "It was released the same day on HBO Max"! NO! I am so feed up with those arguements! They don't work! Why? Well what about all the other movies that were released during that time? F9, Sing 2, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, and then there's actually movies that Warner Bros. made that didn't bomb despite being in the same situation as The Suicide Squad. Those being Godzilla vs. Kong and Dune. Now you could make the argument Dune got released later in 2021 (October 22nd to be exact) and restrictions weren't as bad compared to earlier in that year. But that still doesn't change the fact it was in a very similar situation to Gunn's film especially also being released on HBO Max. There's also Godzilla vs. Kong, I saw that one in theaters when we still had social distancing and masks. And guess what? That move was a hit in spite of everything.
The point I'm getting at is, James Gunn maybe a good director/writer, but he's not the box office draw people on social media, especially on X, are making him out to be.
The Slate is Lackluster
I mean it, I'm not a big fan of this slate of projects. This is a lackluster slate. I mean let's look at. You only got two big names of out this, that being Superman (2025). That'll get some eyes because it's Superman. The other being The Brave and The Bold. That'll get attention because it's a Batman film and as long as that don't repeat Batman & Robin, people will go see that in droves.
Then we got some...not so big names. Clayface, if that's anything like the first Joker movie especially with a GOOD word of mouth maybe that'll do well? Maybe? Supergirl could also maybe possibly be a hit because of the connections to Superman. The we have The Authority, I don't see it doing all that well because nobody expect hardcore comic book fans of heard of them, and they're not gonna be enough to get a good box office performance. As for Swamp Thing, I don't see that doing well because much The Authority, Swamp Thing isn't all that known despite his long history in comics and having a short-lived show on the CW.
That's just the movie side of things, the TV series aren't really all that better. Like who in there right mind wanted a tv show about Amanda Waller? There's also Paradise Lost, and maybe that'll get some attention because of the show's connection to Wonder Woman. But that show won't have Wonder Woman in it so a lot of people probably aren't gonna tune in. We saw that same method with SyFy's Krypton and it only got two seasons. There's also other shows scheduled to come out but I think you get the picture.
So yeah, this slate isn't all that exciting. There's only two heavy hitters involved in this one, and one [Superman (2025)] is right around the corner but the other [The Brave and The Bold] doesn't even an estimate of when it's gonna be released.
What is This Universe's Canon?
What do I mean by this? Isn't the canon what's on the slate? Isn't this a brand new universe starting from the beginning so we don't have to worry about previous projects? Well you would think, but James Gunn went and made this confusing!
Back in June 13th of 2023, James Gunn revealed that Blue Beetle (the character from his self-titled 2023 movie) is the first character in the DCU while Superman is the first full DCU movie. What?!? Blue Beetle is in the DCEU continuity so how is he the first DCU character? Shouldn't the first DCU character be I don't know, Superman!
And if you thought that was confusing, here's a statement he made not too long ago. On Jan 21st of this year, James Gunn took to Bluesky and answered a question from a fan regrading canon to his previous DC projects those being the first season of Peacemaker & The Suicide Squad. In that post he said,
"Short answer: Only Creature Commandos forward is pure canon. For instance, Rick Flag Jr. was killed because we heard Rick Flag Sr. talking about it in Creature Commandos, not because we saw it in The Suicide Squad".
He would continue with, "Long answer: Only CC forward is pure canon; Peacemaker is almost entirely consistent with that canon other than the Justice League; The Suicide Squad has a lot of consistencies but I think of it as an imperfect memory".
This is a mess. Because this whole pick and choose situation just makes things confusing. Because in the first episode of Creature Commandos, yes, Rick Sr. did hear of his sons death. But, during that conversation he had with Amanda Waller she mentioned Rick Jr's death happened during Project: Starfish. A mission that only happened in The Suicide Squad! Casual audiences, if they start doing research are gonna be confused by this weird decision of taking events that happened in the DCEU they putting them in the DCU and then saying to the extent of "Yeah that happened but,".
This could've been solved had James & Peter just made this franchise a full blown reboot, but apparently James just wanted his stuff not to be erase.
Not Helping The One Trick Pony Claims
For the longest time I've heard people repeatedly say James Gunn is a one trick pony. The common complaints is his bag of tricks of needle drops, animal character, multiple usage of cursing dialogue trying to be Quentin Tarantino, overuse of comedy, and shouting.
At first I just ignored this. I thought it was just people finding stuff to complain about. But over the best couple of years I'm understand the complaints, especially now because it truly does feel like it. The Suicide Squad had needle drops, an animal character [King Shark], overused comedy, and who can forget Bloodsport & his daughter arguing? That moment had both cursing and shouting. Then there was season one of Peacemaker. There were needle drops, animal character [Eagly], swearing dialogue, overuse of comedy, and instances of shouting. And then there's his newest DC show, Creature Commandos. Where you guessed it. Needle drops, animal character [Weasel], cursing, and overuse of comedy!! I forgot if there was shouting but I wouldn't be surprised if there was.
Which now brings me to Superman (2025). Now I don't like to judge movies by their marketing because sometimes the marketing won't do a movie any justice, Transformers One anybody? When the first teaser dropped I was surprised. I thought to myself, "Wow, this feels different. This feels like James Gunn isn't gonna do his usual stuff". But then as the marketing continued more of James Gunn's usual signatures starting popping up. Some could argue the sneak peek had an overuse of comedy what with Krypto jumping on Superman as he's hurt, the trailer released a month ago has Superman shouting at Lois, and lastly we had that newest tickets on sale trailer where near the end we have a comedy moment of Superman laying on the ground saying "I'm not messing around I'm doing important stuff". And if we count Krypto, so far Superman (2025) has three of the five things people criticize James Gunn for.
And there you have it. My reasons for being skeptical about this new DC cinematic universe. Before signing off I want to reiterate something. I was a DC Comics fan long before I was a Zack Snyder fan! Why did I repeat this? Because I want you to know I viewed this situation strictly as a fan of DC. Now do I want this universe to fail? No. Me wanting this to fail would not be a good look. Also that would be real nice wouldn't it? I want the GunnVerse to fail despite some people actually wanting it, yet here I am wanting the SnyderVerse restored and the Joel Schumacher cut of Batman Forever released. Like I said before, not the best look for me if I truly wanted this new cinematic universe to fail.
So that's all for now. Come back on Saturday, Jul 12th, for my review of James Gunn's Superman. Until then, enjoy the rest of your day.